I have to say, this post has influenced my decision about purchasing the small business license. Because I would use a third party vendor ( Second Life Marketplace ) I would have to purchase the small business license anyway, however I was alarmed when all the items in the sales area here were free and more so now.

Why are you alarmed? If you were going to sell in the second life marketplace, what does that have to do with the marketplace here?

Even if the marketplace was up and running, it is only for Marvelous Designer pattern files. At least to start with.

You wouldn´t be able to sell processed models for other applications.

I would have to have two installs - one on the desktop and one on the laptop for field work, and needing two licenses would be just absurd.

You don´t need two installs. You can use one license on multiple computers. You just deactivate the license on one computer and use the other computer. You can even switch operating systems.

Tom

A little late to the debate.

There seems to be an assumption that selling your products here will be commercially viable.  The products sold will be Marvelous patterns and hence only of use to other Marvelous users and software owners.  There isn´t the user base of Daz or Poser for example.

I spent quite some time here on the forums picking up tips as well as trying to help fellow users and my opinion is that the vast majority of users here are making their own clothing.  Indeed this is the biggest draw for most.  With the current collection of freestuff in the marketplace there are enough basic garments to take and use as a base to build your own designs.

Most 3D artists would not wish to use an existing pre-made garment when it is relatively easy to make your own.  Copyright could be a problem too.  Garments have a built-in watermark; the original creator, so in a commercial sense I´m not sure if you purchased a product you could change it to any great extent.  You couldn´t use it as a base to make your own garments and then sell, for example.  This is another argument that limits the appeal of the marketplace to most users.

I am an animator and it is my understanding that it is perfectly acceptable for me to make MD clothes to use in my animations that are sold to clients. This is using just the personal license.   BTW ZBrush, as stated,  is hardly a comparable option for clothing animation.

In summary, I feel the delay of an active marketplace is not a significant drawback.  You are certainly not losing any substantial revenue by it´s unavailability. 

adam

For automated clothing generation from a template with adaptive physics, no, zBrush is not. However Blender IS with the 22nd´s Sewing patch, and it does have cloth physics. Now it´s unfair to compare prices on a product so much more powerful then just clothing like Marvelous Designer, but Blender is also FREE.

Also, zBrush is most certainly adequit for non animated clothing - my business results in working with only static rigged mesh so both will work for my needs ( and zBrush has the added bonus of being able to design animation quality character models )

The fact that a designer uses marvelous designer believes, firmly, that the market will not be commercially viable should speak volumes of their belief in the system period. Why on earth pay 700 dollars for a software that wont make you any money.

Kaine Wrote:

 Why on earth pay 700 dollars for a software that wont make you any money.

That´s the point though - I didn´t.  I paid $99 and can use it freely in my workflow for making dynamic animated clothing.

For £99 it allows you to make animations like this :-

on which you do have the potential to make money.

As Tom says,  the other licenses are for selling MD patterns here.  My original point was (and I agree with you) that it is not worth buying the commercial license as you will not recoup your money - at the moment.

adam

Kaine Wrote:

The fact that a designer uses marvelous designer believes, firmly, that the market will not be commercially viable should speak volumes of their belief in the system period. Why on earth pay 700 dollars for a software that wont make you any money.

With the $700 dollar version of the program, you do not have to sell in the MD marketplace. They didn´t even state anything about 3D sales in the marketplace. It is for selling MD pattern files.

You can use the 3D files anywhere if you have the small business or enterprise license. People are selling clothing made with MD in Second Life right now. The program can pay for itself and more if you are a content designer.

Update:

I was mistaken in my understanding of the personal license 

http://www.marvelousdesigner.com/Marvelous/Product.aspx

You ARE entitled to sell your MD patterns here with only the personal license.  I believe it still stands that VERY few bought the package to make money via the market place.  As the market place is not currently active it is a case of caveat emptor.

The 30 day trial is there for you to evaluate the software and it´s potential for your particular use.  The forums are here so it is quite possible to ask any questions regarding the imminence of sale outlets.  Caveat Emptor.

No contract is broken unless you can prove there will never be an active marketplace.

Tom,

I have been reading this thread with interest.  I can actually see both sides of this argument.

I like to have control of my own purchases with a serial number so that.....

• I can put on both my desktop & laptop computers as I do clean installs at 6 mthly & I use both computers all the time.
• I have the peace of mind that if the company closes (i.e. Quidam by n-sided), you dont need to worry

Even though I have had no heart-ache with the above, I personally would still like to have my own serial & freedom to do what I wish with my purchased programs.  As we all know, many companies do close even if they have a great product.

Many computer graphics programs have been around for a long time.  Even when they go out of business they tend to sell the program to someone else to continue.  Many  programs have changed hands numerous times.

I would imagine if they did actually go out of business permanently , they would just unlock the program, or release it for free like Truespace did.

Tom

Tom, you seem to be very savvy with MD.  Maybe you can help me.

I have just purchased MD & I am unable to activate even though I have allowed the port as stated in the pop-up.

Could this be due to me just removing the trial without de-activating it.  I just assumed the purchased product would act differently.

Thanking you.

BastetCat